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Friday, December 19, 2008
Goodbye Personal Ads, Hello Spinsterhood
Finally, the long-awaited personal ad post. Because sometimes, laughing is the only way to keep from crying.
First, just so you know what we're dealing with here, I'll share an excerpt from my personal ad. Variations of it have run on OKCupid, Yahoo Personals, Salon Personals and, most recently, Craig's List. (Hey, no one can accuse me of not trying.) After specifying that I was looking for a single male between the ages of 35-50 and within 600 miles of Missoula, I elaborated:
Unfortunately, I can count on one hand the responses I've received from men who actually seemed like they might fit the bill. None ever progressed beyond email and instant messenger conversations.
These are actual responses I've received:
This was from a 61-year-old man -- 20 years older than me. Okay, I'm not real hung up on age and I can think of a few older guys I'd relax the limit for -- Jack Nicholson comes to mind -- but some guy who's only interested in giant breasts isn't one of them.
Then we have the opposite end of the spectrum. I've received more than a few responses like this:
Somehow I doubt we'd have much to chat about.
Then there are those who fail to notice I'm looking for someone single:
Beneficial?
Some guys are just too stupid to write more than two sentences, or can't follow simple directions, like "Please reply with a picture of yourself." The following are complete responses, no pictures included:
Keep waitin'.
How nice. Do you like candlelight dinners and long walks on the beach, too?
You're not my type of man.
Uh. No, thank you.
NO.
Then there are the scary guys.
One didn't write anything besides "im mike..." (a different "mike" from above), but did attach two photos. The first pic was of something pink and blurry. It took me a few seconds of squinting to figure out what it was. Ewww! A tongue! He sent me a close-up of his tongue!
But the second picture he sent was even creepier. It was of him, a rather ordinary-looking fellow except for his eyes, which were ... disturbed. I don't really know how to explain it. Serial killer-ish. In the picture, he's standing in an unfinished, stone and dirt-floor basement. Presumably, where he hides the bodies.
Finally, we have the guys who actually have been convicted:
I inserted the asterisks to protect the innocent. The truly innocent.
Frankly, I'm over it. If I want comedy, I'll rent a DVD. I let my Craig's List ad run out a while ago and canceled my OKCupid account today.
Never in a million years did I imagine I'd be 41, unmarried and childless, but here I am, and it's a far sight better than being involved with any of the above weirdos.
First, just so you know what we're dealing with here, I'll share an excerpt from my personal ad. Variations of it have run on OKCupid, Yahoo Personals, Salon Personals and, most recently, Craig's List. (Hey, no one can accuse me of not trying.) After specifying that I was looking for a single male between the ages of 35-50 and within 600 miles of Missoula, I elaborated:
I'm looking for an intelligent, literate, liberal, affectionate nonconformist with beautiful eyes. A man who is passionately involved with life and believes it's possible to make a difference. A strong, sensual man who either prefers big women or who believes that beauty comes in all sizes.
I'm not super-picky about looks or "types" -- things like height, body size, hair length and eye color -- but there DOES have to be a certain spark .... For me, it's more about chemistry and confidence. And brains. I like smart men.
Unfortunately, I can count on one hand the responses I've received from men who actually seemed like they might fit the bill. None ever progressed beyond email and instant messenger conversations.
These are actual responses I've received:
I love large women...but they must be extremely busty, too...
This was from a 61-year-old man -- 20 years older than me. Okay, I'm not real hung up on age and I can think of a few older guys I'd relax the limit for -- Jack Nicholson comes to mind -- but some guy who's only interested in giant breasts isn't one of them.
Then we have the opposite end of the spectrum. I've received more than a few responses like this:
Hey there, probably out of your age range but I'm 22 year old male looking for a good time. I just moved here. Wanna chat?
Somehow I doubt we'd have much to chat about.
Then there are those who fail to notice I'm looking for someone single:
I saw your ad and think that the timing may be beneficial to both of us. I will be in Missoula the evening of September 18 and 19. I have personal business to attend to during part of the day of the 19th, but certainly can work with you to meet if we both agree.
I am a MWM, 49, 6'2, 200, brn hair with some gray, green eyes, average build, mustache but relatively little body hair. I am well educated and am a high ranking official in a large east coast fire department. I am not a player nor do I do this, just feeling the need to try something new. I will be traveling alone.
With the lead time we have it will allow us the opportunity to get comfortable and see if you wish to follow through. I do look forward to hearing from you. If not, best of luck and enjoy.
Beneficial?
Some guys are just too stupid to write more than two sentences, or can't follow simple directions, like "Please reply with a picture of yourself." The following are complete responses, no pictures included:
Hi, I'm 48 5'11" 180# divoced . love animals and outdoors. just lettin you know I'm out here waiting for someone.
Keep waitin'.
Am here surfing for someone to love and share dreams with.. message me if you here for the same reason.
How nice. Do you like candlelight dinners and long walks on the beach, too?
your my type of woman
You're not my type of man.
hi my name mike I like your profile but I do not being on the computer much so txt me if you would like @ 406-xxx-xxxx.
Uh. No, thank you.
Phone sex?
NO.
Then there are the scary guys.
One didn't write anything besides "im mike..." (a different "mike" from above), but did attach two photos. The first pic was of something pink and blurry. It took me a few seconds of squinting to figure out what it was. Ewww! A tongue! He sent me a close-up of his tongue!
But the second picture he sent was even creepier. It was of him, a rather ordinary-looking fellow except for his eyes, which were ... disturbed. I don't really know how to explain it. Serial killer-ish. In the picture, he's standing in an unfinished, stone and dirt-floor basement. Presumably, where he hides the bodies.
Finally, we have the guys who actually have been convicted:
Well, I just got out of prison after twenty one years (murder, they say, but I didn't do it)...and I need a sweet lady to help me get back in the saddle. I've got plenty of money, so I can help you out with rent, and nice things (my Aunt died while I was inside and left me a nice hunk of cash). I'm in good shape, good sized c**k but I know how to be gentle with a lady.
I inserted the asterisks to protect the innocent. The truly innocent.
Frankly, I'm over it. If I want comedy, I'll rent a DVD. I let my Craig's List ad run out a while ago and canceled my OKCupid account today.
Never in a million years did I imagine I'd be 41, unmarried and childless, but here I am, and it's a far sight better than being involved with any of the above weirdos.
posted by Patia 8:43 PM
Comments:
You know - I think you are going to meet someone. I was like you - hit 40 and said - ok that's it. I am going to be happy as I am. I am going to make the most of my life and I am not going to worry about what others think about me being single. And so I was doing that for a few years when out of the blue - there he was. Someone who works where I do.
I was not looking and at first thought: well it will be nice to have someone to hang out with. But, you know, even though we came from different places we ended up in the same place. He is pretty perfect for me now in my maturity. 10 years or even 5 years earlier I wouldn't have thought of him seriously.
But now we are making a life. We've been going out for almost 5 years and he plans to move in with me in the new year. My elderly mother lives with me so it will take some adjustment for us all.
So take heart - if it happened to me it can happen to you.
I was not looking and at first thought: well it will be nice to have someone to hang out with. But, you know, even though we came from different places we ended up in the same place. He is pretty perfect for me now in my maturity. 10 years or even 5 years earlier I wouldn't have thought of him seriously.
But now we are making a life. We've been going out for almost 5 years and he plans to move in with me in the new year. My elderly mother lives with me so it will take some adjustment for us all.
So take heart - if it happened to me it can happen to you.
posted by Seven Crows : December 20, 2008 11:45 AM
Hey, thank you for your comment and encouragement. I'm happy you found someone. I have little hope left, but am willing to be surprised. Not holding my breath, though.
posted by Patia : December 20, 2008 3:28 PM
I didn't want to be discouraging to you while you were going the personal ad route, but your experience with it from your previous posts was so similar to mine that I was pretty sure it wouldn't work. Although I have to say, blogging about it was a brilliant idea.
The best connections really are those made through common interests. Aside from any of their other obvious flaws, the one thing guys who responded to your ad have in common is the fact that they're not good listeners. Since conversation tends to become more important in mature relationships, it's not only not an auspicious beginning, it's a huge red flag and a clear indicator that things aren't going to improve.
Not sure if I told you this before or not, but a lovely British guy I encountered on plentyoffish said in his profile at one point, 'this is not the Burger King of dating - you don't get to order your woman without the pickle or to ask to have the tomato held.' But that does seem to be the way many men approach online dating sites.
Having said all that been all discouraging (but hopefully not in an 'I told you so' kinda way), I have a friend (just turned 45) who swears by eHarmony and is happily seeing a guy she met through that process (and I gather it is a process, not merely a 'site') some four years ago. She said it wasn't cheap but that it was well worth it. Not sure if you want to give it a try or not.
The best connections really are those made through common interests. Aside from any of their other obvious flaws, the one thing guys who responded to your ad have in common is the fact that they're not good listeners. Since conversation tends to become more important in mature relationships, it's not only not an auspicious beginning, it's a huge red flag and a clear indicator that things aren't going to improve.
Not sure if I told you this before or not, but a lovely British guy I encountered on plentyoffish said in his profile at one point, 'this is not the Burger King of dating - you don't get to order your woman without the pickle or to ask to have the tomato held.' But that does seem to be the way many men approach online dating sites.
Having said all that been all discouraging (but hopefully not in an 'I told you so' kinda way), I have a friend (just turned 45) who swears by eHarmony and is happily seeing a guy she met through that process (and I gather it is a process, not merely a 'site') some four years ago. She said it wasn't cheap but that it was well worth it. Not sure if you want to give it a try or not.
posted by Ruth Seeley : December 20, 2008 6:39 PM
Hi Ruth. I know a few people who met their spouses via online personals, so it does work for some. But honestly, I'd much rather meet someone in person, just so you know right off the bat whether there's chemistry.
I filled out the app for eHarmony years ago, and was turned off because it seemed to translate me being fat into needing a guy who doesn't care about looks. Um, excuse me? Well, that, and that it was expensive. But it's been years ... maybe I should try again.
Sigh.
I filled out the app for eHarmony years ago, and was turned off because it seemed to translate me being fat into needing a guy who doesn't care about looks. Um, excuse me? Well, that, and that it was expensive. But it's been years ... maybe I should try again.
Sigh.
posted by Patia : December 20, 2008 11:22 PM
Sometimes I think logistics are against meeting people in traditional ways. I know when I was working 12 hours a day I had no energy to get 'out there' and since I wouldn't/couldn't date either clients or co-workers, who else was I meeting? No one!
Now that you're freelancing, if you can figure out ways to network and meet new people while doing things you enjoy - great, it'll happen.
Much as I don't like the -ette appendages, why can't we be at least confirmed bachelorettes rather than spinsters.
Actually - Patia - have a contest on your blog for a more appropriate term. And we'll promote it on Twitter. Cougar's a bit icky. And we don't all prefer younger men.
BTW - you're not following me on Twitter - @ruthseeley. I'm away till the 27th, but I'm liking this idea very much. :)
Now that you're freelancing, if you can figure out ways to network and meet new people while doing things you enjoy - great, it'll happen.
Much as I don't like the -ette appendages, why can't we be at least confirmed bachelorettes rather than spinsters.
Actually - Patia - have a contest on your blog for a more appropriate term. And we'll promote it on Twitter. Cougar's a bit icky. And we don't all prefer younger men.
BTW - you're not following me on Twitter - @ruthseeley. I'm away till the 27th, but I'm liking this idea very much. :)
posted by Ruth Seeley : December 21, 2008 12:24 AM
How about if we just adopt "bachelor" as an all-gender term? Better yet, do the French have a term? (Hopefully something besides "celibataire," which I think is a horrid word for single.)
I don't mind the concept of a "cougar," but I am so not one.
I don't mind the concept of a "cougar," but I am so not one.
posted by Patia : December 21, 2008 12:59 PM
Whether you meet someone or not, I think it's fabulous that you're not settling for less than you deserve. I'm happily entangled, but when I was single, I grew to love my own company so much that it was difficult to share it with someone else! Thanks for your thoughts on my solstice celebration. :) We're having a great time!
posted by DarklyFey : December 21, 2008 1:12 PM
Thanks, Fey. Yeah, I've grown pretty fond of my own company, too. It would have to be a pretty special guy for me to give up my independence.
posted by Patia : December 21, 2008 3:18 PM
My god. I loved reading this entry.
I can remember 6 months after Tom died...6 months!!, a neighbor of mine decided I was ready for sex with a new man. Naturally, he was willing to sacrifice a few minutes of his time.
I declined...and did so politely, though if I could just go back to that moment, I would break the jerk's nose.
This is Missoula. Thousands of intelligent, well-read men live here. When you least expect it, one of them's gonna run over you with his bike. And while you sit in the ER, waiting for your x-ray results...you'll fall in love.
♥
I can remember 6 months after Tom died...6 months!!, a neighbor of mine decided I was ready for sex with a new man. Naturally, he was willing to sacrifice a few minutes of his time.
I declined...and did so politely, though if I could just go back to that moment, I would break the jerk's nose.
This is Missoula. Thousands of intelligent, well-read men live here. When you least expect it, one of them's gonna run over you with his bike. And while you sit in the ER, waiting for your x-ray results...you'll fall in love.
♥
posted by catnapping : December 27, 2008 10:53 AM
Oh, Cat, what a romantic scenario! Although I'd prefer it if he ran over me with his horse. :-)
Six months, eh? Well, gotta give the guy credit for waiting that long. I think some of these losers might hit on a woman at the funeral.
Six months, eh? Well, gotta give the guy credit for waiting that long. I think some of these losers might hit on a woman at the funeral.
posted by Patia : December 28, 2008 9:58 PM
Patia,
Write this as an article and send it to the NY Times! They feature people and places in Montana.
It's great!!
Janet
Write this as an article and send it to the NY Times! They feature people and places in Montana.
It's great!!
Janet



